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« on: 29 September, 2010, 01:50:50 AM »

I can only think of OFAH with the Green, Green Grass and Rock and Chips and Man About The House with George and Mildred and Robin's Nest.
I suppose On The Buses had more if you count the Blakey spin-off (who's name escapes me at the moment) and the two Rag Trades but that's cheating!

Are there any that beat two spin-offs?
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« Reply #1 on: 29 September, 2010, 12:35:24 PM »

I don't know many british ones that did.  'Sanford and Son', the american Steptoe had 4 spin off's believe it or not... that's going a little too far...

Wasn't Rock and Chips awful?  John SUllivan should have been ashamed of himself. 

Rogue, wasn't the Blakey spin off called 'Don't drink the Water'?

Oh, 'Till death us Do Part' came back twice didn't it, once as 'Till Death.' (full title) and once as 'In Sickness and In Health'.
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« Reply #2 on: 29 September, 2010, 03:18:30 PM »

Wasn't Rock and Chips awful?

Well, it's a matter of taste, I guess... some time ago I opined that people appreciating the late OFAH "specials" would have probably loved "Rock & Chips" exactly because it was much soppier than funny... but apart from that, for a short statement, I do agree, it was awful... Grin

Funny you should mention that, though, I just finished watching a series of TV movies globally titled "The Quest", featuring David Jason as protagonist, director and writer, a bit of a handful, too much perhaps, but since it was based on long "flashbacks", with younger actors playing the main parts, I couldn't avoid making a comparison between the two "young Davids", and again "Rock & Chips" suffers badly, there...

I know the actor's performance as young Del Boy in "Rock & Chips" was actually lauded by most critics, but I personally could find very little of either Del or David himself in that, while the lad playing young David in "The Quest" (Greg Faulkner) was just amazing, both for the physical resemblance and, even more, in delivery, to the point where I'm still asking myself whether he hadn't been actually dubbed by David Jason himself...

Anyone seen that one? Terribly soppy, too, but very watchable, imho.
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« Reply #3 on: 29 September, 2010, 06:45:24 PM »

The problem I had with 'Rock...' was the script.  OFAH is dead, move on...

I wouldn't mind if OFAH had been an original idea in the first place, but he actually took scenes directly from 'Steptoe and Son', not just the characters!!  According to Wilfrid Brambell's agent, the similarity was the reason he turned down the part of 'Grandad'.

David Jason is remarkably talented, but doesn't do enough of the hard hitting drama he is so good at, he seems to stumble in to light entertainment too much.  However, he does do a lot to help up and coming actors get the break they need and I respect him for that. 

Although in the last series of 'Open All Hours' he looked way too old to play Granville, don't you think?
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« Reply #4 on: 30 September, 2010, 09:24:40 AM »

David Jason once said...

"I've never ever 'felt my age', whatever that means. I think that there are a lot of people who feel 22 when in fact they're 62, and there are a lot of youngsters out there who behave as if they were four times their age. It's an attitude of mind, isn't it?"

Perhaps there's something there to explain how David seldom "played his age", in the early stages of his comedy career, especially with Ronnie Barker, doing much older characters like Dithers and Blanco, as well as much younger Granville, indeed.

Easier to play older than younger, I guess, makeup can help a lot in the first case, not much in the second... I always felt Granville was a bit too old from the beginning, I'm not quite sure if a precise age is ever mentioned for him, if it was I don't remember, but I think of the character as in his mid-twenties, resenting being still treated as a teenager, while David was 33 already at the time of the pilot, in 1973, which puts him at 45 by the time of the last series... a bit too much for an errand boy?

Maybe, but I really don't care... there have been complaints, more recently, about his playing the role, at 68, of thirty-something wizard Rincewind in the TV movies taken from Terry Pratchett's books, and I must admit it felt a bit weird at the beginning, but then you forget all about it and just enjoy him...

As I said before, I'd probably enjoy David Jason if he played Huckleberry Finn... Smiley

Pity he had to give up on Frost, indeed, but that's just being realistic with a realistic series, you don't see many 70-year old cops around... and at least they didn't kill him, bless them, you know how I hate that... even though they still HAD to kill someone, the cruel bastards... Wink

BTW, I understand Barnaby's going to retire too, but I see there's still some 6 or 7 episodes to go... now that's a weird thing, lately Midsomer Murders is aired earlier in countries like Australia and Sweden than it is in Britain... I've seen the current episodes months ago, except for the forthcoming one, next week, which seems to be "brand new" for all...
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« Reply #5 on: 30 September, 2010, 11:21:56 AM »

I think it was time for Frost to end.  It was good, but had gone on too long.  David Jason does seem to be unable to tell when a program has run its course, like with OFAH, and there were some duff frost episodes too, thats just my opinion of course.

They never really mention Del Boy's actual age, although it is often said he is 18 years older than Rodney, being 16 when their mum died and Rodney was 2. 

I know when they brought OFAH back (those last episodes get a hard time don't they?  Watch them again, out of context, and they're no different to any of the specials, it's just that because the 1996 trilogy was SO fantastic, people expected these to be even better.  But watch them now and they are just as good as any of the others), the press gave David Jason a bit of a teasing, saying he was too old and one even criticised him for dying his hair for it.  What they forget is that this was totally the character - Del Boy would have still been trying to make himself look 20 when he was 60.  In fact, David himself has never appeared vain, often appearing old and grey (even when he wasn't).  Some of these critics should actually watch the programs they're criticising first!!
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« Reply #6 on: 30 September, 2010, 11:55:23 AM »

David Jason does seem to be unable to tell when a program has run its course, like with OFAH, and there were some duff frost episodes too, thats just my opinion of course.

That's as maybe, but although I'd guess he's got quite a bit of "power" there, I wonder if that extends to playing Del Boy or Frost indefinitely, if he wanted, which I doubt he did...

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They never really mention Del Boy's actual age, although it is often said he is 18 years older than Rodney, being 16 when their mum died and Rodney was 2. 

Er... never been much good at maths, me, but still, that makes 14 years difference, surely... Wink

But Del Boy was alright, if David ever played a "same age" character that was it, including the hair-dying, of course Del Boy would have done that, you know it makes sense... Grin

And let's not forget David actually did have a child in his early sixties, why shouldn't Del Boy, indeed? Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: 30 September, 2010, 02:29:49 PM »

Grr, yes 14.  LOL  I must have eben distracted when I wrote that... (where did I put that calculator?)

David Jason certainly does have power, he took action to prevent the DVD release of "The Top Secret Life of Edgar Biggs" as he thought it was crap. And he won the injunctionbut I don't know under what terms as the production company pointed out that under the initial contract, he had no sya whatsoever about what they did with the footage, as he was a minor actor in those days, he didn't have any clout.  So he must have a good lawyer...

Surprisingly, David jason originally pulled out of OFAH in series 5 (?), in the episode "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" they filmed an ending where he did actually go off to Australia, leaving Rodney behind.  But then a few weeks later he changed his mind and luckily filming had not finished as they were filming out of order as they usually do, so he asked Sullivan to re-writew the ending and leave it open "just in case".  Then the one where Del's son si born was meant to be the last ever... then the millionaire story... and so on...   

Del Boy's made more comebacks than Cliff Richard!
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« Reply #8 on: 30 September, 2010, 03:06:48 PM »

David Jason certainly does have power, he took action to prevent the DVD release of "The Top Secret Life of Edgar Biggs" as he thought it was crap.

An opinion which might be easily shared, in truth Smiley, as humorous spy stories go his old pal's Rodney's "The Piglet Files" was a masterpiece in comparison, but he also stopped DVD publication of "A Sharp Intake of Breath", which wasn't actually half bad, especially the first series, where he was joined by Richard Wilson and Alun Armstrong, was in fact quite good, imho...

Pity, if anyone should be ashamed of those it's the writers, not David, his own performances, even that of exaggerately slapsticky, bumbling Edgar Briggs, were above reproach, he shouldn't be the one holding them back...
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