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« Reply #15 on: 30 August, 2010, 01:25:00 PM »

Lol  Yes, you have to know where to look.  Unfortunately you can know too much - I have things of Steptoe that even Ray and Alan were not aware of the existence of (like when Harry and Wilfrid used the characters on guest appearances without their permission) or had completely forgotten about, as well as a few of the missing colour episodes in colour.  The problem is, where as most fans don't have any of it, there is nothing left for me to find now! 

So sometimes it can be best to hold back!!

Uncle Fester as a child?  Did he always look like that? lol

(Perhaps thats how the desert island in the other threat has electricity, they get Fester to blow on a  light bulb!)
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« Reply #16 on: 30 August, 2010, 02:16:01 PM »

The problem is, where as most fans don't have any of it, there is nothing left for me to find now!  


Uhm... are QUITE sure about that? Most collectors never complete their collections, a little because you never know when something "new" might pop up, and a little because... well, while a complete collection is indeed source of satisfaction, the thrill of the chase is probably better... Wink

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Uncle Fester as a child?  Did he always look like that? lol


Blimey, no... he used to be considered the most beautiful child in the world, in his time, the poor tyke...

http://kittypackard.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/thekid1.jpg

And then everything went wrong for him, that's quite a sad story, with uncle Fester actually being a bit of a happy ending...
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« Reply #17 on: 30 August, 2010, 02:55:32 PM »

I forgot about the appearance with Chaplin.

You know he also appeared in an Elvis Presley film "Girl Happy" in 1965.  A piece of trivia for you there!
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« Reply #18 on: 30 August, 2010, 04:32:13 PM »

Speaking of Chaplin, did you hear about that totally lost and forgotten Chaplin film that turned up on Ebay?!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/nov/05/charlie-chaplin-ebay-reel-tin
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« Reply #19 on: 30 August, 2010, 07:57:18 PM »

Yes, EVERYTHING on ebay is genuine isn't it, especially those many Laurel and Hardy fake autographs and the current forged Harry H Corbett autograph.

Ebay should be renamed "people-who-are-stupid-enough-to-believe-their-one pound fifty find which was made yesterday-is-worth-a-billion-zillion-pounds-bay"

The fact is, that is all the reel was worth - he doesn't own the copyright (people on ebay have a bizarre view of when something is out of copyright) so all he owns is the actual tin, scrap value about half of what he paid.

But if people are dumb enough to believe it that's their problem.. as for 'The Guardian', they print any old crap, they printed the fact the Curse of Steptoe was accurate so it shows they do no research what so ever. 

You can check out the Laurel and Hardy fakes (and how convincing they apparently were) here:  http://www.laurelandhardy.org/autographs.html

Next you'll be saying those selfish enough to use and stupid enough to believe what they read on Youtube are right... lol  only joking, you're more intelligent than that, i know!!

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« Reply #20 on: 30 August, 2010, 08:07:08 PM »

well, i originally read the story in a magazine, this month's Fortean Times. According to that article, its been pretty much confirmed as a new (i say new, the film was made from out-takes from Chaplins other films for propaganda in the first world war) "lost" film.
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« Reply #21 on: 30 August, 2010, 10:10:29 PM »

Well yes, I know what you mean.  When I discovered some lost steptoe stuff I classed it as 'new' even though it was 40 years old...

So I get that point.  I wasn't necessarily doubting the credibility of that specific item, but I am sure we are all intelligent enough to know 99% of what is on the itnernet is pure fiction.  I am sure whoever valued such rare items offered to buy them... if not, why not?  If it's worth so much then of course they would.  Experience has taught me anything is worth what you can get for it.  I could say it's worth a trillion pounds but until my money is on the table it isn't worth a penny.  Never trust a valuation if they aren't putting their own cash down for it!
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« Reply #22 on: 31 August, 2010, 04:10:09 AM »

The last i heard of this story is that the owner of the film was offered £900,000 (!!!) but refused to sell it. I bloody well would - for that sort of money you could pay to clone Charlie Chaplin!

Just curious PhilGlass, you say you found some of the missing colour episodes in colour of Steptoe? What did you do with them? Did you lend them to the Beeb or something? I was wondering about this, would letting the BBC copy them devalue the originals? What made me think of it was hearing that some of the missing Doctor Who episodes are actually in private hands but the owners refuse to let them be copied .... So the rumour i heard goes.
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« Reply #23 on: 31 August, 2010, 07:59:52 AM »

I wasn't necessarily doubting the credibility of that specific item, but I am sure we are all intelligent enough to know 99% of what is on the itnernet is pure fiction.

Well, I'm beginning to think you must have a bit of a grudge on the internet as a whole... 99%? I don't believe that... but then, I'm on the internet right now, so according to your theory I'm probably lying... Wink

My own prejudice is on auctions, instead, I'm convinced that 99% of what you buy that way, no matter if it's from an Ebay webpage or Sotheby's luxurious chambers, you'll have paid at least 3 times its real value, if you're lucky, that's the very purpose of the system, let mugs outbid each other and enjoy the results...

Maybe we should create a "Room 101" thread? Smiley

My first pet hate there would be the fact, which I recently discovered, that lots of fans of the programme don't even know where the title comes from... or "Big Brother", at that...


I was wondering about this, would letting the BBC copy them devalue the originals? What made me think of it was hearing that some of the missing Doctor Who episodes are actually in private hands but the owners refuse to let them be copied ....

Yep, that's a problem the people responsible for the "Missing, Believed Wiped" project at the BFI have to face, but refusals are apparently more a matter of principles than money, with people thinking that, after the Beeb (or whomever) wantonly destroyed culturally priceless artifacts, they just don't deserve getting them back, and for free, too... sod the lot of 'em, they say, which is not nice but fairly understandable...

AND there's the monetary matter, yes, you can make a billion copies of the Mona Lisa, there will still be only ONE original, but with video a copy's as good as the original, why, it could in fact be quite better, after restoration, and what's the point of having an "original" at all, when the DVD is out?

Still, fetishists abound, in the collectors' world, and for lots of people the possession of a rusty tin can with a 16mm film in it, probably well on its way to the rediscovery of penicillin, is still much better than a vulgar digital copy, indeed because anyone could get the latter, but the former is mine, only MINE... mwahhahahah... Grin
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« Reply #24 on: 31 August, 2010, 10:57:10 AM »

Lol Gomez, I was being a little ironic... saying that most of what is on the net is untrue, and I wrote that on the net, therefore it must be untrue...

The quality of the copies I have are not perfect by any means.  I have not sent them to the BBC at all, they chose to record over them originally so they should learn their lesson.  Of course, I do not own the copyright, but they also can not make me turn the tapes over to them - they are not on original BBC reels, so I own the actual tape out right.

The BBC do have some of them, "A Winters Tale" was handed in to them as a telerecording, with the colour information still in tact.  They had the first 15 minutes then another collector came along with the second half. 

The problem I have with collecting is this:  I spend a lot of time and money collecting - something I choose to do.  However, many fans then seem to think that I am obliged to let them see it because they are "huge fans", but couldn't be bothered to actually collect themselves.  One of my room 101 items would be youtube.  Many fans have fallen out with me because they believe it is my duty to post all the rare and unreleased clips I have on to youtube for them, when they could simply collect them themselves.  "But I don't know where to get them from"...  Neither did I.  I was not born with a collection - it took a LONG time to get them, and a lot of work.

I might take a few stills from the colours I have and share them around.  I actually wish I hadn't mentioned it as I don't want too many people to know.  I wish I had them in brilliant quality but don't.  Of course I have them backed up and if I play them, I use the DVD transfer.  Interestingly, if I turn it to black and white for a laugh, they are still in better quality than most of the BBC released episodes (but then most of the Steptoe episodes were previously released in better quality by the beeb on video, and without all the stupid cuts they made on the dvd set... grrr...  Right, I'm off to room 101....)
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« Reply #25 on: 31 August, 2010, 11:43:27 AM »

A friend of mine recently recovered a one-page gag story of a famous Italian comics author, previously unknown to all "scholars" and collectors of the matter, in a 1959 issue of the British "Mickey Mouse" weekly, a rather rare publication collector-wise.

The first thing he did was sharing a hi-res scan of the item with a selected group of friends and "colleagues", the second was sending the same to the local Disney publisher, for the purpose of publication in the nearest available issue of one of their titles.

Which they did, with appropriate credits to the "discoverer", only, they made some mistake, or they just didn't care much, and what turned out on paper was a barely readable thumbnail-sized low-res image, hardly worth looking at twice...

Well, I guess collectors would be happier to contribute "rare" material if they were rewarded with more than a desultory pat on the back and, especially, if they could be sure the material would be treated with the due interest, restored where needed and in fact made available, rather than left languishing in the BFI vaults (or wherever).

I also remember an example where my "pirate" copy of a Hancock episode was of much better quality than the one included in the official DVD release of the same... why couldn't the Beeb use the restored one (from BFI, probably) there? They just don't care, it seems to me, small wonder collectors don't trust them...

That said, I just LOVE YouTube, me, that's indeed where you cut the unworthy middleman out of the equation... Grin
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« Reply #26 on: 31 August, 2010, 02:44:17 PM »

I love this thread! Cheesy Its turned into a facinating insight into an area i'd never even considered before now!
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« Reply #27 on: 31 August, 2010, 03:50:54 PM »

Well, nothing new under the sun, actually, how many selfish collectors keep their Van Goghs hidden in their vaults rather than share them with the rest of the world, and why shouldn't they? If you want a Van Gogh, buy your own, as I did...

Not many, luckily... that kind of collector is usually ready to loan or sell his precious pieces to Museums and Art Galleries, after a few millions have perhaps changed hands, and with the assurance that the piece in question WILL find proper care and exposure, but with broadcasters and comic books publishers, they own the copyright already, they feel they owe you nothing more than said pat on the back, if anything at all, and what they will do with it you never know...

I CAN understand disgruntled collectors of copyrighted stuff, indeed, non quite approve, but certainly understand...
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« Reply #28 on: 31 August, 2010, 06:02:47 PM »

I take objection to the word selfish (don't worry I'm not mad at you).

What is selfish to me is someone who can't be bothered to collect expecting someone else to do it for them.  EVERYONE can end up with the same stuff if they just make the effort, and it's not to do with money.
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« Reply #29 on: 31 August, 2010, 07:21:36 PM »

I take objection to the word selfish (don't worry I'm not mad at you).

Same here, I'm not picking at you, the object of my own anger is indeed broadcasters and publishers who managed to lose the stuff in the first place, and don't even show a bit of a guilty feeling on the matter, and treat collectors who spent, indeed, time and money on retrieving what they've wasted with a condescending attitude, in the best of cases...

No, you're right, "selfish" is not an appropriate term, in most cases, "vindictive" is probably better, and well deserved... Smiley
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